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California Rain Gutters Frequently Asked Questions & Answers...

Our Frequently Asked Questions...
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(1.) Do you install seamless rain gutters?

(2.) What is the difference between seamless aluminum rain gutters and the 26 gauge bonderized steel rain gutters that you install?
(3.) What do you feel the life expectancy is for the different types of gutter material available to the consumer?
(4.) What do you feel about gutter covers or screen for leaf protection on rain gutters?
(5.) How long of a section can you run without an expansion joint with your material verses other companies installing seamless rain gutters?
(6.) What are my options if I want my new gutters painted?
(7.)
Do I need gutters all the way around my house?
(8.) I only have one gutter leak on my house, is that too small of a job for you?
(9.)
Do you solder your gutters?
(10.) How will I know when my gutters need to be replaced?
(11.) I would like to have my roof and my rain gutters replaced and I was wondering when would be the best time to have the rain gutters installed?


(1.) Q. Do you install seamless rain gutters?

A. Seamless is a term for a company that has a small machine that forms a rain gutter on site by using a thin light duty material.
The material that I use is thicker and stronger and is formed by a machine 3 times the size of the machine, than the lighter duty seamless rain gutters that are advertised use.
My material comes in lengths up to 30' long and most homes will have very few seams, if any.

(2.) Q. What is the difference between seamless aluminum rain gutters and the 26 gauge bonderized steel rain gutters that you install?
A. There are many differences, I felt that seamless aluminum gutter was a good idea and I was intimidated by it when they first showed up as my competition, but in my experience it doesn't seem to hold up in the long run. Most of the companies that are installing seamless aluminum gutters, install them using steel screws, by having two different metals and adding water to the mix causes electrolysis to happen which causes an early break down in the materials.

Examples of Fading/Oxidation & Electrolysis...
Some of the seamless companies will give you a lifetime warranty on the paint that says their paint won't chip or peal - They don't say anything about their gutters fading or oxidizing, Below are seamless aluminum gutters only 7 years old.



Another major reason is the softness of the aluminum and how expansion and contraction can also cause an early break down in material. In our area we can have temperatures that can change 50 degrees from early morning to mid day in the summertime. Aluminum is a very soft and less rigid material compared to the 26 gauge bonderized steel that I use, aluminum moves much more with temperature changes and an early break down of the material can happen.
I feel that the bonderized steel that I use is a much stronger and proven material than aluminum as far as rain gutters go. You can lean a ladder on my material to get on your roof without denting or crushing them, this is not an option with aluminum gutters. This is because of the way that I install my gutters and also by using the highest quality materials available without taking short cuts, I custom hand cut all miters on gutters and on downspouts without the use of pre-made corners or elbows like most of my competitors use.
It's a shame, but over the years I have come to the conclusion that some of the seamless rain gutter companies either don't know these things about their rain gutters or just don't care.

(3.) Q. What do you feel the life expectancy is for the different types of gutter material available to the consumer?

A. I feel that plastic gutters that are available at the local hardware store and are usually installed by homeowners or handymen last the shortest time and may cause water damage to your home due to not having a flashing built on to the gutter, low water capacity, and seams that don't seem to seal.
I have replaced aluminum seamless gutter as soon as only six months old but most seem to last about 7 to 10 years if kept maintained, give or take depending on the installers techniques.
The 26 gauge bonderized steel that I install can last up to 25 to 30 years or more if kept maintained.
That is up to 3 times the life of what I have found seamless aluminum gutters to last.
Remember that the steel gutters that you are thinking about replacing on your home have been there since the 70's or early 80's and you already know how long they have lasted.

(4.) Q. What do you feel about gutter covers or screens for leaf protection on rain gutters?
A. I feel that a gutter cover to keep leaves out of rain gutters only work for about a year or so. Most people have them installed thinking that they never have to clean their gutters again. The truth is, you still have to clean your gutters and by having a gutter cover installed, it may make it harder to clean them out.


These pictures of how debris still gets through on a gutter cover systems... after only 2 1/2 years of being installed.
Now the homeowner will pay more to have his gutters cleaned on a system that he was told would never have to be cleaned.


All summer long, the wind is blowing and your roof is collecting the dust from that wind, that dust is washed into the gutters during the first rains. If you have a composition shingle roof, small granules from the composition roof will also be washed into the gutters by the first rains and both should be cleaned out on a yearly basis along with the leaves.
I feel that gutter covers in most situations are just a way to generate revenue for the companies that push the product.
This is also my belief on the advertised "never clean your gutters" type of gutters offered to the consumer. Unfortunately there is no replacing maintenance.
I do offer a type of screening that I feel is cost effective if there is a leaf problem around your home and you understand that your gutters should still be maintained.
I have found that there is no such thing as "Never" or "Lifetime" in Rain Gutters. The general rule should apply, if it sounds to good to be true... Most likely it is!

(5.) Q. How long of a section can you run without an expansion joint with your material verses other companies installing seamless rain gutters?
A. With the 26 gauge bonderized steel gutters that I install, Depending on the building and how much it may move with temperature change or heavy winds, the 5 1/4" material can span as much as 125 feet and the 7 1/4" material can span as much as 100 feet without an expansion joint. Every installation is different and can be determined at the time of the estimate.

I have a letter that from the company that manufactures the aluminum & steel coils for seamless rain gutter companies that was faxed out to the owners of a horse arena where I removed the seamless aluminum rain gutter after only 6 months of being installed that states;
"Due to expansion and contraction we recommend the following installation procedures:
Expansion joint every 45 feet when installing aluminum gutter. Expansion joint every 60 feet when installing steel gutters."

This letter was used in court by the property owner for restitution.

(6.) Q. What are my options if I want my new gutters painted?
A. There are a couple of options:
I could deliver the materials to your home if you would like to pre-paint them yourself before I install them.
I can have a local Licensed Painting Contractor pre-paint the material and then touch them up after they are installed.
This is also a good time to either change your trim color or have your entire house painted, and I can recommend a local Licensed Painting Contractor if you don't know of one.
NOTE:
It is not necessary to paint this material to prevent rust; Paint is only to add color to your home and won't change the life expectancy of the material.

(7.) Q. Do I need gutters all the way around my house?
A. It is best for your house if you install rain gutters at every point where the rain water will fall from the roof, this will protect your house from water damage that is caused by the rain water splashing on the side of your house causing staining or rotting, soil erosion, foundation damage, rotting decks, mold under your home, and the rain water can even shorten the life of your roof if the rain water falls from an upper roof onto a lower roof.

(8.) Q. I only have one gutter leak on my house, is that too small of a job for you?
A. No job is too small!
I look at it as if I had needed someone to do a small job for me, I would hope that someone would be able to come out for me.
Give me a call; I will be there for you.

(9.) Q. Do you solder your gutters?
A. I do not solder my gutters. Solder is one of the reasons companies came up with the idea of seamless aluminum rain gutters. It's not because solder is a bad way, it actually works good when done properly. When soldering rain gutters, you need to be able to get up to 1 inch of solder sweated between the lap, (sweating solder is done by pulling the melted solder between the two layers of metal by the use of a hot solder iron) This was real easy back in the 50's when the rain gutters were small, but now that the common rain gutter is from 5 to 7 inches tall and a lot harder to get a good vertical solder sweat.
All of my seams are pop riveted and sealed with a gutter sealant; I have successfully used this method since 1984 and tried many different sealants over the years and found that the gutter sealant I use holds up the best and in combination with my method of pop riveting the rain gutters, virtually eliminates the possibility of future gutter leaks.
I have a saying; there is no money in call backs, so I do the job right the first time.

(10.) Q. How will I know when my gutters need to be replaced?
A. Your rain gutters rust from the inside out. If you have the original steel gutters on you house that are 20 to 30 years old, you want to look at the outside of the gutters for small rust specks that will show through the paint. This is the rust that coming through from the inside and it is now time to start thinking about replacing them.
If there is rust at the seams and surface rust on the inside, this is time to save some money and have the seams repaired and wait for replacement until the rust shows through at a later date after you have had full use of your rain gutters.

(11.) Q. I would like to have my roof and my rain gutters replaced and I was wondering when would be the best time to have the rain gutters installed?
A. The best time would be at the same time as the roofer. After the roofing contractor has removed your old roof, they may need to add plywood to your roof. The new rain gutter is now installed on top of the new plywood or your original roof sheeting using the wing of the gutter as protection from future dry rot.
I take pride in working along with any quality licensed roofing contractor and making sure the job will not be delayed by my company.
If you don't have a quality roofing contractor for your new roof, I would be happy to refer one to you. I have been working along with the same roofing contractors and general contractors for well over 10 years and would be happy to refer them to you.


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